tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post6688280422002365820..comments2023-10-31T09:01:00.362-04:00Comments on Detroit Lions Fan 1979: Draft Recap/Eval, Part 1: The GMDetFan1979http://www.blogger.com/profile/02632685989381122197noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-83155348342407747732008-05-05T04:53:00.000-04:002008-05-05T04:53:00.000-04:00P.S. But then again; it's easier when your back i...P.S. But then again; it's easier when your back in Mike Alstott and your playing Northwestern, Iowa, Minnesota, and Indiana.<BR/><BR/>-nubsnobberAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-16404160854763015952008-05-04T22:32:00.000-04:002008-05-04T22:32:00.000-04:00Dear LionFan in PATo use the car analogy, it would...Dear LionFan in PA<BR/><BR/>To use the car analogy, it would've been like trying to drive a Porsche on a two-track north of Newberry trying to make it to the Reed 'n Green Bridge.<BR/><BR/>The STYLE of runner that Mendenhall and Stewart are are different than Smith.<BR/><BR/>Mendnhall and Stewart are pounders. A jab step or two, but then its straight north and south power run football.<BR/><BR/>Smith is the make-you-miss guy. This is going to be a cutback offense where the back (Smith) has good enough vision to cut back runs against the grain if there is over pursuit. This Smith kid will not get caught in the wash much when a play flows right or left. He will bounce around and come out two holes (gaps) from where the play was supposed to go because he has terrific vision.<BR/><BR/>He isn't Chris Johnson fast, but that's rare. He is still fast enough to break 30-40 yard plays.<BR/><BR/>With this zone blocking scheme, don't be surprised if the "signature plays" come from the Old Snorts/Hogs/Smurfs of RFK lore.<BR/><BR/>You may find the scissor or "counter tray" as the play that gets things going right again.<BR/><BR/>This play is a double trap play away from the strong side (TE on one side). You pull your guard and tackle from the strong side around to the weak side. The first guy (guard) kicks out the end. The tackle curls up and takes the flowing outside linebacker that sticks up into the hole. The key is the center and the fullback. The center has to reach back to the strong side and "fill" the gap left by the vacated guard and tackle. The fullback (sometimes they even fake a dive hand-off) also has to fill the gap. I've even seen where the TE will pinch to the center and fill.<BR/><BR/>Coletto used this play at Purdue.<BR/><BR/>-nubsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-90952348485764673062008-05-04T22:09:00.000-04:002008-05-04T22:09:00.000-04:00Chief,Glad to see you back.Also glad you are start...Chief,<BR/>Glad to see you back.<BR/><BR/>Also glad you are starting to realize that this draft appears to be a good draft. But in all reality it is still a crap shoot, nobody knows how anyone is going to turn out, there are no guarantees, only educated guesses that will show their worth in time. I love this draft but only time will tell if it pans out or flops... <BR/><BR/>LionsfanPA,<BR/>I couldn't have said it any better myself. That is a very similar message I have tried to convey to others in the past. I agree with and liked your post. <BR/><BR/>JJ,<BR/>That was a nice break down, maybe it will open some of the peoples eyes that just can't seem to understand why we drafted the way we did. It really shows that they did their homework on the draft and that their board was pretty much dead on.<BR/><BR/>I can't believe football is still so far away... I'm excited and ready for pre-season to start. :)<BR/><BR/>LikAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-29160540277112396662008-05-04T21:09:00.000-04:002008-05-04T21:09:00.000-04:00JJLIONSyour right-it turned out great because of d...JJLIONS<BR/>your right-it turned out great because of day 2- i didnt mean to be so negative on day one-it was to me at the time- but seeing what tjey did on day 2- day one was a win-i truthfully believe that-needed day 2 to make day one a success -from the picks on day2 thet did this<BR/>LIONS GREAT IN 2008-PLAYOFFS AND BEYOND!!!CHIEFGER139https://www.blogger.com/profile/10541341856809330039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-45918938180869698442008-05-04T17:50:00.000-04:002008-05-04T17:50:00.000-04:00I've got a question. Was Mayo not sliding to the ...I've got a question. Was Mayo not sliding to the Lions a blessing in disguise. Go back and look at the draft board and lets say Mayo was the Lions pick at #15, and they planned to get a RB and OT with the next two picks. I think most can agree those were the top three needs. Given that the Lions would have been picking at the #45 and 76 slots, and the trade to the #64 position would have been highly unlikely, what would have been the availability of players to fill those other two needs. Looks to me if the went RB in the 2nd, they could have gotten Ray Rice who eventually went #55, but then for the OT, your looking at Anthony Collins (#112).<BR/><BR/>Lets consider taking an OT with the #45 pick, the only one there was Greco who went #65, and the RB in the 3rd would have been Steve Slatonwho went #89.<BR/><BR/>Now I know this is not an exact science because the board would have changed depending who was available for other teams. But lets look.<BR/><BR/>Cherilous (#17), Dizon (#45), Smith (#64). the total of their draft position was 126.<BR/><BR/>Mayo (#10), Rice (#55) Collins (#112). The total of their draft position was 177.<BR/><BR/>Mayo (#10), Greco (#65), Slaton(#89). The total of their draft position was 164.<BR/><BR/>I know there is an argument that Charles may have been available because the Lions would not have take Smith. In that case Mayo, Greco, & Charles, would have had a total draft posion of 148.<BR/><BR/>So, I have to ask... Is Cherilous/Dizon/Smith better than Mayo/Rice/Collins, Mayo/Greco/Slaton, or even Mayo/Greco/Charles.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Day One wasn't a disaster, maybe it was a blessing in disguise. <BR/>Your thoughts?JJLions20https://www.blogger.com/profile/14086949813455327048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-22661453774746638612008-05-04T17:41:00.000-04:002008-05-04T17:41:00.000-04:00I actually think that Millen has done a very good ...I actually think that Millen has done a very good job managing trades in order to maneuvering around to get targeted players at value positions in the draft (e.g. moving up to get Kevin Jones and to get Boss Bailey looked like a great moves!). <BR/><BR/>The problem has been partly bad fortune (injuries) and the unfortunate fact that the team has been in constant panic mode ever since the third year of the Millen draft era, trying to get the quick fix to make up for past failures, switching schemes every year desperately trying to draft that one big difference-maker player. This has led to an onslaught of high talent, low football-character players.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad to see that this year it's back to bread and butter. Steady as she goes.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10290258662064033238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-44003908509975892082008-05-04T16:18:00.000-04:002008-05-04T16:18:00.000-04:00for what its worthim very happy with what they did...for what its worth<BR/>im very happy with what they did and totally undestand it-in fact im glad at what they did-theyre telling me we want to win now-they could of went for the big guy who will be for us forever and be a star like mendenhall or traded up and got ryan or mayo-they didnt-they drafted at least mediocre guys at all needs that needed filled-i would of done the same-actually i dont think smith is that much a drop off from mendenall or dizon that much a drop off from mayo or lofton or cherlius that much a dropoff from williams,otah or albert and avril that much a drop off from harvy-flullen was a great pick too-so i belive we have real hope-<BR/>but to say at the time-i was happy with day one wOuld be a lie-i was sick-but day 2 made me realize they did damn good-end of subject-<BR/>LIONS GREAT IN 2008-PLAYOFFS AND BEYOND!!CHIEFGER139https://www.blogger.com/profile/10541341856809330039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-57698221638984521602008-05-04T14:35:00.000-04:002008-05-04T14:35:00.000-04:00Cheif,Everyone knows why you don't like the 1st da...Cheif,<BR/>Everyone knows why you don't like the 1st day draft selections. I have an opposite opinion and am glad they did not select any RB in the 1st round. Every yr there are good RBs in the draft. I think once a team has its lines established, then they could address the skill positions. If Smith does not work out, they can get another good RB next yr because it is easy to fill that position. RBs are a dime a dozen. Mendenhall and Stewart will likely have great careers for their teams but that does not translate that they would have similar fates with the Lions. The Panters and Steelers are both established, consistent teams with good offensive lines who will open holes for them. Just like last yr, Peterson had a great rookie season beause the Vikings already had a good Oline. I am not saying that the Lions will win the Superbowl next year with the picks they made but it is a step in the right direction. All I want from the Lions is for them to be a hard team to beat. Mendenhall could be the second coming of Barry and all that would result is same old Lions. They would have been fun to watch but ultimately going nowhere. To use the Detfan's car analogy, Mendenhall is a Porshe that looks great and goes fast but the Lions would not know how drive it or even have the money to fill the tank. If they can consistently field good teams thay may get lucky ala the Giants and Steelers. I agree that the Lions will pay Cherlius less than what a RB at that position would have made but why is that a bad thing. The Lions went for need and value with their picks. <BR/>Another thought just occurred to me. If Mendenhall would have been selected, he would have been received by the writers and fans like you as the 1st round conquering hero to save our sorry team. How would that have affected his work habit. Cherilus, Dizon and Smith at least has something to prove. Mendenhall now also has an incentive to prove the other teams wrong.<BR/>LionfaninPAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-43307755128374467762008-05-04T14:29:00.000-04:002008-05-04T14:29:00.000-04:00Chief, with the cap space they have this year chea...Chief, with the cap space they have this year cheap was the only way they could go. I was happy with the way day one went, Gos filled our biggest need this year, and he was the best OT on the board. Yes his stats were down this year, but that was becouse he was moved to LT, he is a RT normaly, and that is where we drafted him for. The fact that he has played LT is just an added bonus, and makes him an even better pick up. Dizon in round 2 was good pick IMHO, he was the number 2 rated MLB, and the best fit for our system, Conner fell to round 3 for a reason, the scouts saw something that that draft "experts" did not.<BR/> I look for 4 of them to be starters by mid season on O & D, with 2 more starting on ST. I'm very happy with the draft this year, and I'm looking forward to great season.<BR/> GO LIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8276344251743982154.post-27210155684815003582008-05-04T12:46:00.000-04:002008-05-04T12:46:00.000-04:00DAY ONEwas a disasseter-i think if you followed th...DAY ONE<BR/>was a disasseter-i think if you followed the bloggers on that day-most seen it as we were getting nowhere-millen and company saved it on day two-with the picks they got day 2 made the picks they got day one more legit-if they would of missed on smith they would of failed the draft-getting him saved im imho-then the picks after smith just kept making it better and better-i think your right-they went the cheap route-hope it pays off<BR/>LIONS GREAT IN 2008-PLAYOFFS AND BEYOND!!CHIEFGER139https://www.blogger.com/profile/10541341856809330039noreply@blogger.com